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[IanSav]

Hi dRdoS7,

Probably the wrong place, but could both descriptions be displayed in Media Player?

I record a show (Edgar Wallace) which almost always has the same description (Long) in the Media Player, if I press Info it shows both the Long & Short. In the EPG it shows both, in the Timer screen it shows the Short.

I only use OverlayHD, with Media Player in Slim mode don't know if the other skins are the same.

Yes, please post these items in the OverlayHD thread so we don't clutter other threads.

I can add the short title to the display but it will reduce the amount of detail that can be shown in this screen. Is that okay?

The information in the Timer display is exactly what you enter for the timer description. To change this will require code changes deeper in the timer code. I am not sure it is worth the effort.

EDIT: I just checked the skin and the code and can see why I didn't do this before. The converter that makes this information available will need to be changed. I will look at making the code change and submitting it to the repository. If accepted I can then make this display work like the EPG display.

Moderators: Can this topic please be split off and appended to the OverlayHD thread.

Regards,
Ian.

[dRdoS7]

Hi,

I can add the short title to the display but it will reduce the amount of detail that can be shown in this screen. Is that okay?

Yes, OK with me, it will match EPG.

The information in the Timer display is exactly what you enter for the timer description. To change this will require code changes deeper in the timer code. I am not sure it is worth the effort.

The Timer Name is OK, it's the Description text. Most of my Timers are created by AutoTimer, I rarely change anything there.

This is from a previous recording:

I realised I was recording the same ones again, I've changed the AutoTimer to check for uniqueness, in Title & all descriptions.

Thanks,

dRdoS7

[IanSav]

Hi dRdoS7,

I have a converter update coded for MovieInfo that should provide matching displays as used in the EventName converter. These changes will require skin changes to access the modified information!

The EPG data is captured early in the timer creation process and is passed as static data through a number of stages. I am not familiar with the full process. I am not prepared to tackle the timer code changes as I am not familiar with the code and risk breaking things.

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

...
The EPG data is captured early in the timer creation process and is passed as static data through a number of stages. I am not familiar with the full process. I am not prepared to tackle the timer code changes as I am not familiar with the code and risk breaking things.
...

AutoTimer only uses the EPG short description in the timer descriptions of timers it generates. When a normal timer is created from the EPG or from the Timer List screen, its description is pre-filled from the short description if it's not empty, otherwise from the long description. The same when a timer is created by IceTV.

I don't think it's a good idea to only use the short description, but only because it's not always present. I actually think that the way that it's done everywhere but in AutoTimer is the right way to do it.

I'm surprised to see a commercial channel using the short and long description fields in a sensible manner for once.

[IanSav]

Hi Prl,

I think that a "FullDescription" type display as used in the EventName converter could be the way to go for the timers. This is what I have put together for MovieInfo and it should work for timers as well.

Regards,
Ian.

[IanSav]

Hi Prl,

It's simply a matter of geometry that
<widget name="detailslabel" position="200,120" size="950,180" ... />
overlaps
<widget name="ratinglabel" position="1020,105" size="210,25" ... />

The overlap region coordinates are (l, t, r, b)=(1150. 120, 1230, 125).

Thank you for pointing the issues with this screen. I have made a number of tweaks to fix and improve the layout of this screen.

Regards,
Ian.

[IanSav]

Hi,

I have coded up a refactor of the MovieInfo converter to address the display issues reported by dRdoS7. I have given the code a quick test but unfortunately I must box up all my T series devices to send them to Warkus for repairs. I won't be able to fully test the code until the units are repaired and sent back.

I will create a pull request for the changes so that the code can be tested by others.

When the code is accepted I will submit changes to OverlayHD to take advantage of the new details information on the MovieSelection slim screen. I will also change the normal screen to add/correct information that is currently not shown for non recording items in the movie list! (Yep, a long standing bug in the Beyonwiz skins.)

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

... I have coded up a refactor of the MovieInfo converter to address the display issues reported by dRdoS7. ...

Which issue? All three skins already use the FullDescription converter in EventName in the info panel in MovieSelection.

[IanSav]

Hi Prl,

... I have coded up a refactor of the MovieInfo converter to address the display issues reported by dRdoS7. ...

Which issue? All three skins already use the FullDescription converter in EventName in the info panel in MovieSelection.

While reviewing dRdoS7's feedback I noticed that the MovieInfo converter has options to display information from sources other than the EPG. For example, if you position the cursor on a directory entry in the file list then the directory path is shown in the details area. This information is NOT available in the normal EventName converter. When the pull request, I intend to publish today, is merged I will be changing references to the program description in OverlayHD from the EventName converter to the MovieInfo converter. This will provide information to users for more items in the movie file listing. The converters used in the EPG screens will remain unchanged as these screens only ever relate to EPG information.

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

I was going on "to address the display issues reported by dRdoS7" and couldn't see what they were.

Having additional information for non-recording media would also be very useful. It's a pity that eServiceMP3::getInfoString() uses a different key (iServiceInformation::sTagDescription) for its description info from that of eStaticServiceDVBPVRInformation::getInfoString() (iServiceInformation::sDescription), but that can probably be easily programmed around.

Anyway, it sounds like something that should go in the built-in skins, too.

[IanSav]

Hi,

A matching pull request for the MovieInfo converter has been filed with OpenViX. This should make future merges easier for PeterU.

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

I still think it would be a good idea to also use tag information for media files other than recordings to get the name and description (and perhaps other useful fields).

[IanSav]

Hi Prl,

I still think it would be a good idea to also use tag information for media files other than recordings to get the name and description (and perhaps other useful fields).

I agree but is that information readily available to the converters? On this first cut I just made the two converters consistent across Beyonwiz and OpenViX. I am happy to add more if you could please point out the appropriate source of the information.

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

Hi Prl,

I still think it would be a good idea to also use tag information for media files other than recordings to get the name and description (and perhaps other useful fields).

I agree but is that information readily available to the converters? On this first cut I just made the two converters consistent across Beyonwiz and OpenViX. I am happy to add more if you could please point out the appropriate source of the information.
...

I had expected that in the MovieInfo converter, info.getInfoString(service, iServiceInformation.sTagDescription) would get the description out of media files. Similarly for sTagTitle But it doesn't work on any of the few media files that I have. However, The media files also don't seem to have any title or description in them, so I'm not sure whether it would work on files that have the tag information..

[MrQuade]

But it doesn't work on any of the few media files that I have. However, The media files also don't seem to have any title or description in them, so I'm not sure whether it would work on files that have the tag information..

Sorry, I just pictured the code doing something like this when you talk about it trying to fetch metadata that is not present:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/ ... 63d5a29b63

[prl]

But it doesn't work on any of the few media files that I have. However, The media files also don't seem to have any title or description in them, so I'm not sure whether it would work on files that have the tag information..

Sorry, I just pictured the code doing something like this when you talk about it trying to fetch metadata that is not present:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/ ... 63d5a29b63

That, in turn, reminded me of a book a got a couple of years ago, David Bader "One Hundred Great Books in Haiku."

Since this is a technical forum, we'll go with:

Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica
Isaac Newton

Cherry blossoms fall
with Force equal to Mass times
Acceleration

(and yes, it does have War and Peace condensed to a Haiku )

[IanSav]

Hi Prl,

I had expected that in the MovieInfo converter, info.getInfoString(service, iServiceInformation.sTagDescription) would get the description out of media files. Similarly for sTagTitle But it doesn't work on any of the few media files that I have. However, The media files also don't seem to have any title or description in them, so I'm not sure whether it would work on files that have the tag information..

I add MP3 ID tags to all my music, I must have a look at what happens on the Beyonwiz when my machines get back in a couple of weeks. (They missed the train to WA so are a little delayed. )

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

Another minor problem in the OverlayHD screen skin for the IMDB search plugin - the titellabel and the extralabel widgets overlap.

I think this was intentional, so that the "Extra Info" header tucks in to the left of the program title and the title isn't left with a funny-looking indent.

However, while that is OK in the current distributed IMDB plugin, where there's usually never more than a page of info shown, with my recent fixes, there is often more than one page of Extra Info, and that can overlap the title text.

Replication:
Install my alpha patch for the IMDB search plugin. In OverlayHD skin, and in any EPG (or the results of an EPG search), find an episode of Doctor Who in the EPG (or in the EPG Search results screen), the RED IMDB Search, and navigate to the first entry "Doctor Who (2005) (TV Series)", OK.

Then, when the show details are displayed, BLUE Extra Info, then DOWN, DOWN to page down twice. The "Quotes" entry overlays the title.

[IanSav]

Hi Prl,

Thank you for the report. I will need to wait for my Beyonwiz units to return from repair before I can investigate and act on the report.

Regards,
Ian.

[IanSav]

Hi,

A matching pull request for the MovieInfo converter has been filed with OpenViX. This should make future merges easier for PeterU.

The pull requests for OpenViX have been merged into the Dev branch and should be included in the next production release. I have a version of OverlayHD that uses the new information. I believe that this change will address the issue and request raised by dRdoS7.

It will be up to PeterU if he accepts the Beyonwiz pull request or merges in the change from OpenViX. Once done I can publish an update to OverlayHD.

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

Another small quirk that OverlayHD seems to have inherited from the built-in skins.

A negated test on a boolean config variable, like:
<convert type="ConfigEntryTest">config.plugins.icetv.enable_epg,True,Invert</convert>

can be more simply and directly expressed as
<convert type="ConfigEntryTest">config.plugins.icetv.enable_epg,False</convert>

I'm slowly changing them in the built-in skins.

[IanSav]

Hi Prl,

Thank you for the heads up. The optimisations have been applied to OverlayHD.

Please also be aware that there are upstream changes that will soon be available that will finally fix the overlapped text issue for the colour buttons in OpenViX and OpenPLi. This change should be able to replace your Button() and Label() changes in the Beyonwiz fork that currently work around the issue. (This should make PeterU's future merges that little bit easier.) The current solution is via a new attribute "objectTypes" that nominates a list of objects that can be a source of data to that widget. Please see the buttons in OverlayHD when I finish updating my repository later today.

I am still working with OpenPLi and OpenViX to try and improve on this solution. We are also working on some Enigma2 clean ups that should make the code a bit less convoluted with fewer dead ends in the code. (The HTML code and libraries, I'm looking at you. More correctly I am no longer looking at you as the code is now gone in OpenPLi and OpenViX.)

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

That sounds like good news for the buttons...

[IanSav]

Hi Prl,

The OverlayHD repository has been updated.

Unfortunately I can't ship an update to users until Beyonwiz catches up to the upstream repositories. I can also issue more pull requests to the Beyonwiz repository if PeterU doesn't want to perform an upstream merge at the moment.

Regards,
Ian.

[IanSav]

Hi All,

While I wait for the latest changes code to the skin engine to be released on the Beyonwiz build I would like to ask OverlayHD users if there are any screens or plugins that need to be added or improved for the next OverlayHD release.

• I am already working on the new YouTube plugin.
• The colour buttons will use the latest version of the colour button management code.
• The IMDb changes suggested by Prl have been implemented.

Is there anything else users would like addressed?

Regards,
Ian.

[paullings]

Hi Ian,
A while ago I asked if the current theme name could be displayed at the top of the menu. You were able to do this however it's now not there. Is it possible to bring this back please.

[IanSav]

Hi Robert,

A while ago I asked if the current theme name could be displayed at the top of the menu. You were able to do this however it's now not there. Is it possible to bring this back please.

I don't think I ever implemented this. I assume you want the current OverlayHD theme name shown in the OverlayHD plugin? If so, I willlook at trying to add this somewhere.

Regards,
Ian.

[sub3R]

• I am already working on the new YouTube plugin.

Is there anything else users would like addressed?

Hi Ian, I’ll make a note if I come up with any suggestions.

A new YouTube plug-in sounds interesting. I don’t want to get your OverlayHD topic off topic with YouTube comments, but there are three things I miss or I think need improving on the current YouTube plug-in that comes packaged with the f/w.

1. I can’t get my Logitech k400r USB wireless keyboard working with it for entering search information, & from what I have read this is normal & isn’t a YouTube plug-in issue.
2. On my PC I use YouTube for playing music videos. With YouTube on the PC, in the RHS column it lists suggestions for similar music & artists of that era based on the search or what is being played at the time. This is a very handy feature that I always use when using YouTube.
3. I wish there was a user optional way to stop audio from live TV (without pressing the audio button each time) when the YouTube plug-in is being used & a video isn't being played. This background audio becomes annoying when a video is stopped & when entering search information.

But I expect items 1 & 2 can’t be done in a plug-in for the T/U series.

[IanSav]

Hi Robert,

A while ago I asked if the current theme name could be displayed at the top of the menu. You were able to do this however it's now not there. Is it possible to bring this back please.

I don't think I ever implemented this. I assume you want the current OverlayHD theme name shown in the OverlayHD plugin? If so, I will look at trying to add this somewhere.

I think I remember why this was not done. It was not as easy as it sounded. While it is fine to select a theme and use the theme name in the UI what happens if a single setting is changed? The theme is no longer current.

I decided to put the theme name in the title area (like the bouquet names in FAV) but the logic of matching the current settings to a theme looked far more complicated for the amount of time I was prepared to implement the feature.

I hope you don't mind but I think I will leave this in the too hard basket for now.

Regards,
Ian.

[prl]

... A new YouTube plug-in sounds interesting. ...

I read IanSav's post as being about creating an OverlayHD skin for the new YouTube plugin instead of falling back to either the one in the default skin file or the coded default in the plugin, rather than working on the function of the YouTube plugin. But I may be wrong.

[IanSav]

Hi Dennis,

A new YouTube plug-in sounds interesting. I don’t want to get your OverlayHD topic off topic with YouTube comments, but there are three things I miss or I think need improving on the current YouTube plug-in that comes packaged with the f/w.

1. I can’t get my Logitech k400r USB wireless keyboard working with it for entering search information, & from what I have read this is normal & isn’t a YouTube plug-in issue.
2. On my PC I use YouTube for playing music videos. With YouTube on the PC, in the RHS column it lists suggestions for similar music & artists of that era based on the search or what is being played at the time. This is a very handy feature that I always use when using YouTube.
3. I wish there was a user optional way to stop audio from live TV (without pressing the audio button each time) when the YouTube plug-in is being used & a video isn't being played. This background audio becomes annoying when a video is stopped & when entering search information.

But I expect items 1 & 2 can’t be done in a plug-in for the T/U series.

I was actually talking about making an OverlayHD skin for the current YouTube plugin.

As for your comments:

1. On my test Beyonwiz T3 I have no issues using the attached USB keyboard.
2. Try contacting the plugin author to make your suggestions and requests.
3. Again this is one to suggest to the plugin author.

Regards,
Ian.

[sub3R]

My misunderstanding, Ian. Peter (prl) was right.

Thanks for your comments, especially the one about the keyboard. I’ll do some more checks to see what’s (not) going on.

[mick_queensland]

EPG Colours.

Here are the colours I find relatively pleasing in my EPGs on my Pioneer Plasma and Samsung LCD-LED screens. Its a blue based scheme

First in EPG - Menu
change from Graphic to Text
change the fonts to -1
change the picon and channel widths down to 90 & 180 ish, test to see if it cuts off the text.

Then in Menu - Plugins - OverlayHD menu - EPG

set transparency to whatever you like, I used 20%
then working down the list of changes starting from Border
Black
Navy (plasma) or Oxford Blue (LED LCD)
Light Blue
Teal
Blue
White
White (Plasma) or Deep Grey (LED LCD)
Black
Yellow
Dull Red (from here on nothing is changed)

Save and restart GUI

Cheers, Mick

[sub3R]

Is there anything else users would like addressed?

Hi Ian, I’ll make a note if I come up with any suggestions.

Hi Ian, how much control do you have over EPG appearance in OverlayHD?

When I say EPG, I am only referring to the Single Service EPG (the one that allows different services to be selected, not the one that doesn’t), & the Multi EPG (the one that shows all the services in a single column for selectable ‘now’, ‘next’ & ‘later’).

Without going into any detail yet, can you change timer icon colours, make one column narrower to add another column, & add past events before the current event for a limited time period (like the DP series had)?

[IanSav]

Hi Dennis,

Hi Ian, how much control do you have over EPG appearance in OverlayHD?

I can control the look and placement of the items provided by the code.

When I say EPG, I am only referring to the Single Service EPG (the one that allows different services to be selected, not the one that doesn’t), & the Multi EPG (the one that shows all the services in a single column for selectable ‘now’, ‘next’ & ‘later’).

Without going into any detail yet, can you change timer icon colours, make one column narrower to add another column, & add past events before the current event for a limited time period (like the DP series had)?

The icon graphic colours could be changed but once changed would be the same for ALL screens that use those icons.

The T and U series PVRs currently have no real concept of EPG history. Once an event is past it is usually gone. Some of the views can be changed to keep a small history but invoking that mode makes those views of the EPG effectively useless for seeing what is coming up.

Regards,
Ian.

[sub3R]

... The icon graphic colours could be changed but once changed would be the same for ALL screens that use those icons.

The T and U series PVRs currently have no real concept of EPG history. Once an event is past it is usually gone. Some of the views can be changed to keep a small history but invoking that mode makes those views of the EPG effectively useless for seeing what is coming up.

Thanks Ian. Your last comment rules out two of my suggestions then, so I haven't included them. And your comment about; “I can control the look and placement of the items provided by the code” may rule out my suggestions of dedicated columns for the timer icons.

Anyway I will list below what I think would be improvements for you to comment on.

Single Service EPG (the one that allows different services to be selected):

• Because of the light white or light grey colour for a normal timer icon (autotimers are in green) I sometimes miss a timer that has previously been set (the timer icon is over on the RHS of the screen). I usually scroll through the EPG fairly quickly so I concentrate on the timer event name. Is it possible to have a normal timer that has been previously set show its icon in a more eye catching colour, or give the timer icons a dedicated column to the left of the event name column?

Multi EPG (the one that shows all the services in a single column for selectable ‘now’, ‘next’ & ‘later’):

• If an event name is too long for the column, a pre-set timer’s icon for that event sometimes will only partially show or won’t show at all. One way to solve this would be to make the progress bar column narrower & add a column between the remaining time column & the event name column just for the timer icon.

All the above were observed on the U4/46” Sony LCD TV combination at 1080P.

[IanSav]

Hi Dennis,

Single Service EPG (the one that allows different services to be selected):

• Because of the light white or light grey colour for a normal timer icon (autotimers are in green) I sometimes miss a timer that has previously been set (the timer icon is over on the RHS of the screen). I usually scroll through the EPG fairly quickly so I concentrate on the timer event name. Is it possible to have a normal timer that has been previously set show its icon in a more eye catching colour, or give the timer icons a dedicated column to the left of the event name column?

The data on each line is not available in the skin to be reorganised.

Do you have a suggestion for a timer icon colour that will work well for both zap and recording timers and will stand out over a wide range of backgrounds.

Multi EPG (the one that shows all the services in a single column for selectable ‘now’, ‘next’ & ‘later’):

• If an event name is too long for the column, a pre-set timer’s icon for that event sometimes will only partially show or won’t show at all. One way to solve this would be to make the progress bar column narrower & add a column between the remaining time column & the event name column just for the timer icon.

Can you please provide a screen capture of the timer icon not being displayed properly.

The progress bar can't be made narrower as it is the same column definition used for the start and end time display. Any narrower and the times won't completely display.

Regards,
Ian.

[sub3R]

Hi Ian, I suspected you may not be able to re-organise the data, & I can understand the column width restrictions.

... Do you have a suggestion for a timer icon colour that will work well for both zap and recording timers and will stand out over a wide range of backgrounds.

Now that is a difficult one. Is it possible to have the icon colours user selectable to suit whatever background a user selects, similar to what you have done with other various colour options in OverlayHD Skin Manager?

... Can you please provide a screen capture of the timer icon not being displayed properly.

The below timer ‘Prime7 News Coastal’ goes from 6:18pm to 6:32pm on Prime7 HD to catch just the local weather which is near the end of the local news. You can see on the Multi EPG the timer icon has partially been cut off.
However this doesn’t happen if the timer covers the complete EPG event, it only happens in similar scenarios to what I have shown. It looks like the cut-off is on the RHS of the icon's solid colour. I have also attached the Single Service EPG for comparison.

I haven’t been able to find a timer icon that hasn’t displayed at all.

This isn’t a big deal, & I’m not being critical, it is just a small item that I thought could be improved.

[MrQuade]

The below timer ‘Prime7 News Coastal’ goes from 6:18pm to 6:32pm on Prime7 HD to catch just the local weather which is near the end of the local news. You can see on the Multi EPG the timer icon has partially been cut off.
However this doesn’t happen if the timer covers the complete EPG event, it only happens in similar scenarios to what I have shown. It looks like the cut-off is on the RHS of the icon's solid colour. I

That's nothing to do with the length of the program name. That is the normal display for a timer that starts in the middle of an event. It's there to signify that the timer only partially covers the event.

You see the same thing in the graphical EPG. There should also be a corresponding half timer icon on the LHS of an event if only the start of the event is covered by the timer.

[sub3R]

That's nothing to do with the length of the program name. That is the normal display for a timer that starts in the middle of an event. It's there to signify that the timer only partially covers the event.

You see the same thing in the graphical EPG. There should also be a corresponding half timer icon on the LHS of an event if only the start of the event is covered by the timer.

Yes I know all that. I was showing how that particular icon is partially cut-off in the Multi EPG.

[MrQuade]

Ahh sorry. I was squinting at this on a phone screen and missed that.

[Grumpy_Geoff]

Ahh sorry. I was squinting at this on a phone screen and missed that.

Yeah, well, you did drop down your phone display size in the 'upgrade' (now XL-less )

[MrQuade]

Mind you, now that I look at it, I wasn't wrong about the fact that it looks the same on the regular graphical EPG.

[IanSav]

Hi Dennis,

Now that is a difficult one. Is it possible to have the icon colours user selectable to suit whatever background a user selects, similar to what you have done with other various colour options in OverlayHD Skin Manager?

At the moment OverlayHD only plays with colours defined in the skin but not graphical files. To do something similar with the graphics files would be significantly more difficult, messy not to mention all the extra firmware space that might be required.

I think I would like to put this in the too hard basket for now.

The below timer ‘Prime7 News Coastal’ goes from 6:18pm to 6:32pm on Prime7 HD to catch just the local weather which is near the end of the local news. You can see on the Multi EPG the timer icon has partially been cut off.
However this doesn’t happen if the timer covers the complete EPG event, it only happens in similar scenarios to what I have shown. It looks like the cut-off is on the RHS of the icon's solid colour. I have also attached the Single Service EPG for comparison.

I haven’t been able to find a timer icon that hasn’t displayed at all.

This isn’t a big deal, & I’m not being critical, it is just a small item that I thought could be improved.

The partial timer icon in the previous time period appears to either be deliberate or a code error in the positioning of the icon. It is not something I can correct in the skin. In my opinion the positioning should be fixed so that the half filled clock face is always properly displayed. If more of the icon is displayed it may make it easier to see and hence address your concern.

I think Prl has been in this area of the code before. Perhaps he can offer an opinion on what is happening here. If the fix is easy he may be able to fix the problem for us.

Regards,
Ian.

[sub3R]

Ahh sorry. I was squinting at this on a phone screen and missed that.

That’s ok. Even when using a 22” monitor I sometimes I have trouble understanding some comments I have previously posted. I would be hopeless reading forums on a tiny phone screen.

I was a bit short with my reply to you, I was under pressure to shut the PC down for the night.

For the benefit of phone users with tiny screens; in the Multi EPG the timer icon that is shown in my attached Multi EPG example is the only type that is partially cut-off (to the right of the solid colour). All other timer icons that I have seen so far display correctly & aren’t partially cut-off. The Single Service EPG doesn’t suffer from this issue, it displays all timer icons correctly (none are partially cut-off).

[sub3R]

... I think I would like to put this in the too hard basket for now.

That’s fine Ian, I also have one of those baskets.

... I think Prl has been in this area of the code before. Perhaps he can offer an opinion on what is happening here. If the fix is easy he may be able to fix the problem for us.

It isn’t a big deal for me, & I’m sure Peter has more important things to work on.

Thanks for taking the time to look at these.

[adoxa]

It's designed to only draw half the icon:

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				width -= clk_sz / 2 if clock_types in (1, 6, 11) else clk_sz

That means if the icon is for the start padding, only draw half of it, else draw all of it. Sort of makes sense, since the half-icon implies partiality and allows a slightly longer name. Trivial to change if you really want a full icon.

[IanSav]

Hi Adoxa,

It's designed to only draw half the icon:

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				width -= clk_sz / 2 if clock_types in (1, 6, 11) else clk_sz

That means if the icon is for the start padding, only draw half of it, else draw all of it. Sort of makes sense, since the half-icon implies partiality and allows a slightly longer name. Trivial to change if you really want a full icon.

If the full icon is still a picture of half a clock face then I think this would address, or at least help, Dennis' visibility concerns. While some more text would be obscured by a complete icon I don't think it would be significant enough to negatively impact readability.

For me I would be happy to see the complete icon restored. Given I did not raise this as a concern I will leave it to others to express their opinions.

Regards,
Ian.

[sub3R]

It's designed to only draw half the icon:

Ok, so it has been done on purpose. But it still doesn’t look right IMO. Looking at that icon in the Multi EPG, it can be taken two ways:

1. It is a half solid icon & the timer is set to start somewhere near the end of the previous time slot (which is the case for that timer I have shown).
2. Or it is a completely solid icon that the right half has been chopped off indicating the timer is set for the complete time slot. One could assume (which I did when I first started using this EPG) that the text & icon in that line has been truncated because it won’t fit in the column & therefore half of the icon has been chopped off. But if it was the outline of a full circle with half the circle solid it would be clear what it means.

When the Multi EPG shows the icon for a timer that is set to extend into the next time slot, it shows a full circle outline with half the circle solid. IMO, it should be consistent for beginning in the previous time slot or ending in the next time slot, a full circle outline with the appropriate half solid.

But as I mentioned previously, it is no big deal to me.